[0:01] Hi, welcome to "The Fedora Podcast." We are in our 10th episode, and we are coming back to current interviews. The, as you can, you have noticed before, we have five episode doing old interviews that had some time to get edited, but we are back into the current, eh, Fedora project work.
[0:19] I'm here with Marie Nordin. Uh, she is the current Fedora Community Impact and Action Coordinator. Um, she is also part of the Mindshare Committee. Hello, Marie.
Marie Nordin:[0:33] Hi, Eduard. How are you today?
Eduard:[0:36] Oh, fine. Uh, we are here recording back, uh, to the new episodes of the podcast. The first things I want to ask you is what is, uh, the Fedora, uh, Community Impact and Action Coordinator role means in the Fedora project?
Marie:[0:50] All right, cool. So it's actually Fedora Community Action and Impact Coordinator, so it's FCAIC, a-, as we like to call it here in the community. And the FCAIC does a lot of important things to keep the community healthy.
[1:09] So, um, one of the main things that I do is I assist people with funding and swag and guidance for local events. And that's something that we do through the Mindshare Committee actually. It's somewhat connected, right? But, you know, after the Mindshare Committee kind of helps do that, then that comes to me, and I do the admin part.
[1:31] So I help people get visas, and I book air, airfare when we're traveling. I do certain various things that cost money. I manage the budget, so I'm the one who is looking at that and making sure that it gets spent and also making sure it's going into some of the right places, right? So, there's kind of this admin aspect of what the FCAIC does, and so that's administrative work, right?
[1:58] Then there's kind of my role within Red Hat. So the FCAIC also has a role within Red Hat, and that is to work on, um, different initiatives and projects within the open source program office within Red Hat. It's usually stuff community related. So I work with them to help, you know, kind of lead the way as an open organization, right?
[2:25] So Red Hat wants to continually make sure we're doing things in an open source way. Um, so this, this office is, you know, dedicated to community and we, we take our time to advise people, um, put together resources for Red Hat and outside of Red Hat. Um, so, so mainly we're, we're doing different projects and initiatives there.
[2:50] I went to Red Hat summit for Red Hat as a Fedora person, and I hung out there kind of repping Red Hat within this Fedora chat room. So that's an example of a project, like an event, that we put on together. I'd say the third part of the FCAIC's role is helping with community initiatives.
[3:10] The people will come to me and say, "Hey, I have this idea." and I say, "That's a great idea. Um, here are some people that are doing something similar," or "I think this is the place you can find the resources," or "How can I help facilitate your initiative topic grow?" Right? Um, I think up to this point, the FCAIC has been a somewhat new role. We've had a few people in the position.
[3:34] And my predecessors did a lot to put in some processes, but I would really like to see the FCAIC role providing strategy in the future, moving forward here. I think there's a couple different things, that's currently happening, that we could use some strategy and some focus on. So, um, that's something I'd like to see coming from myself, the FCAIC with the support and, you know, OK from the community on some things.
[4:06] But at some point, someone needs to take, um, a role on the strategy, right, and say, "This is, this is where we're gonna go, and this is what we're gonna do." And I would like to, um, have the trust of the community to be able to do that.
Eduard:[4:20] There was a lot of information there. [laughs]
Marie:[4:22] [laughs] I hope it was good.
Eduard:[4:24] I also want to thank the, the previous FCAIC, that was Brian Exelbierd because thanks to, to that role that you may, that you received idea from people, uh, I'm able to do the podcast. My first, the first idea of the podcast go, goes with the previous FCAIC.
[4:42] They say, "Hey, what if we do a podcast?" I never, I didn't have any idea how to do that. He just tell me, "Bring these, go there, ask here," and here we are, have, having different podcasts now, 10 episodes like length. And that's great.
Marie:[4:59] Yay. Congrats. Yeah, exactly. So the FCAIC helps exactly with that kind of stuff, and, um, you know, we get transcriptions for the podcasts.
Eduard:[5:08] Yeah.
Marie:[5:09] And that costs a little bit of money. So, you know, it, it does pass through the FCAIC's hand as well for that administrative aspect.
Eduard:[5:16] Yeah. There's something that really, mm, tells me to be that I have that, that question all the time is, uh, uh, as you say, that your role is, is a paid position by Red Hat. Also, the Fedora project leader and the Fedora program manager are, are Red Hat, uh, employees.
[5:35] How does this comes with the relationship with the Fedora, n-, non-Red Hat employees? I mean, for example, I didn't ask anything to Red Hat, and you used my, my ins-, my, my communautaire instance to get there. So how people can get involved in this kind of stuff? How they can ask for, for guidance or for help? And how is the, the relationship...
Marie:[5:59] Right.
Eduard:[6:00] with Red Hat, the, how they manage the things we do? I mean if I ask something from Red Hat, "Hey, I'm the host of the Fedora Podcast, and you paid for that."
Marie:[6:11] [laughs] All right, so...
Eduard:[6:12] How, how...
Marie:[6:12] Right, right.
Eduard:[6:12] is that can be taken for Red Hat?
Marie:[6:14] Right, so I'm gonna say that the relationship between Red Hat and Fedora is, just it's a mutually beneficial relationship. I think it's hard for contributors to sometimes see that because it's, Red Hat isn't involved in the day-to-day name and culture of Fedora.
[6:35] But they are, you know, our biggest sponsor, and they really, they're the ones that kind of let, let all of this happen. Not let, but enable a lot of it to happen, right? Um, and although it's kind of hard to see, once again, because they only crack down when things are like happening that they don't want to happen, but the rest of the time, they're happy to let us self-govern, right?
[7:04] So although I work for Red Hat, I'm not here trying to tell people, you know, "This is how it, we need to do it," or, "This is not how we need to do it." I try to have a conversation with the community and, in fact, [laughs] I'm one of the people out there like, "People need to express their feelings," you know, "You're, you're angry at Red Hat." [laughs]
[7:27] Um, you know, you gotta have, you gotta express those feelings, right? But I think maybe a better understanding of why maybe they're doing what they're doing would be, would be good. And I can try to get to the bottom of that a little bit.
[7:41] And it's actually a question that I'm trying to learn a little bit more about within Red Hat. I have a meeting with someone who's a product manager for the RHEL product, right -- that's Red Hat Enterprise Linux -- to understand Red Hat's vestment and interest in Fedora and its future.
[8:00] Red Hat definitely has an interest in Fedora being a success. And one of the pieces of that success is the community. So whenever they can, they're going to let us do it however we want to, right? When it comes down to it, they are going to be certain legal things, trademark things, various aspects that Red Hat does have some protection over, right, and they're, you know, they're protective over that.
[8:27] So, so it's a balance, right? But when you think about the Fedora leadership, like myself, FCAIC, FPL, and, and the program manager, we're really here because we're passionate about Fedora, right? And that's how we got these positions. [laughs] I wasn't brought in from another bot within Red Hat. I wasn't, you know, I came from the community to be in this role.
[8:52] So, I think you can trust that I have Fedora's best in mind at all times.
Eduard:[8:59] Yeah, I get it. Uh, I wanted you to explain that because for, for some reason it looks, uh, some kind of weird. But it makes a lot of sense for me because, uh, as community, we don't any face. We are just, are a lot of random people working around the world.
[9:15] But you need to protect your mark. You need to protect your Fedora logo. You need to be able to protect your fedora.project.org, your getfedora.org. And someone have to be the face that. And in that ca-, in this case, it's just Red Hat.
Marie:[9:28] Yeah.
Eduard:[9:29] Um, also I, I know you from where you were working from this time. I, we have know like from two years ago I think, more or less? And I'm, I'm super fan of your work [laughs] I need to say.
Marie:[9:42] Mm-hmm.
Eduard:[9:44] Yeah.
Marie:[9:45] Thank you. [laughs] Yeah, I've done a lot with badges over the year.
Eduard:[9:49] Well, now we are going to mix it a little bit. So now that you have the FCAIC role, uh, you have a Mindshare seat. So what is Mindshare Committee, to let the people to understand what it is?
Marie:[10:00] So Mindshare Committee is a group of folks and this, there's, and I'm sure it's all seats where each team that wants to bring a representative can, I guess, you know, apply to do that, though we have specific seats already set up, right?
[10:21] So, [clears throat] we have for documentation, and design, and etc., etc., marketing, um, many of the different roles, right? So all of those folks, like one person from each team is coming together to do a couple different things, right?
[10:37] So one of our main functions is requests for swag and requests for events funds. So anyone can come to the Mindshare Repo and say, "Hey, I wanna do this thing, and I'm gonna need X, Y, Z amount of money or swag," you know, "Can the Mindshare Committee review this?" right?
[11:00] So in the next Mindshare Committee meeting, we take a look at that ticket. We give it plus ones, minus ones, or maybe we'll go and ask that contributor, you know, "What background do you have in this?" uh, "What kind of information?" or, "Do you need additional supports?" or, "Here's some more resources."
[11:20] If it seems kind of unplanned, we might ask them to come up with a plan so that we make sure that they're prepared. So one of the main things we do is just general support for events and, you know, we, we fulfill swag requests.
[11:35] Uh, another thing we do is try to advise on community initiatives and maybe potential community issues, right? So there's some friction or there's some, something that's not working, right? And we're trying to get to the bottom of why it's not working and try to make some small changes to improve that.
[11:57] It's really, on one hand, you know, once again, this administrative, and then on the other hand, you have community initiatives that we're trying to, um, help improve.
Eduard:[12:08] Sure. I already part of the Mindshare, uh, Committee from the marketing group. Uh, I think we comment that from the first episode. And a thing that I think we do really great is the communautaire events part. Uh, people just reach us and say, "Hey, we need to do this," and if there is an instructor to, to that event, we can just say, "Yes, go.
[12:32] And, uh, if, if th-, if there is not, uh, we can say, "Hey, what do you need?" to try to give a plan or, uh, try to give, give, give them some guidance about it.
Marie:[12:43] Yep, and then we also have like recurring people who do the same thing every year. And we're just like, "Great. Go ahead. Here's your swag. Enjoy your time," kind of a thing, you know. We have a lot of long-standing contributors who do events who just kind of breeze through the process, too. And we try to guide the new, the newbies a bit more.
Eduard:[13:01] Yeah, um, when we pulled, um, Mindshare Committee out, uh, the idea was to, to bring all those things that weren't part of the software part of the project, that are not related to packaging, or to developing, or anything, um, try to make them to have a place to, to be together, you know?
[13:26] Because we have, uh...
Marie:[13:27] Yeah, to connect.
Eduard:[13:28] the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee, uh, the Fedora Packaging Committee that do their part in the software part of the project. So we di-, we didn't have...
Marie:[13:37] Right.
Eduard:[13:37] really a face in the, in the project. We have just the small teams, uh, spread over ar-, over all the places.
Marie:[13:44] Right. I guess you could say Mindshare also kind of helps with the strategy of Fedora, too, um, you know, guiding it or [indecipherable] it in small ways with some of the things that come, come our way.
Eduard:[13:57] Yeah. Also, of, um, part of the Mindshare, uh, all the teams are, bring their people back, uh, the committee. But we need to renew that committee from time to time. So there is any schema to, to renew the positions inside the committee?
Marie:[14:16] Right. So this is, I think there's a ticket open for this. [laughs] Um, yeah, I think, uh, we talked about it, and it's a tough thing to address, right? I think it's, the reason that it's been tough to address instead of just having a process is because there's not a lot of people. We don't have huge pools of people to call from.
[14:38] And a lot of the folks that are on the Mindshare Committee already are doing a great job. And I do, I do think that preemptively like switching them out before burnout is really important, but there is some important work that's happening right now that I, I would like those historical minds to be on, if that makes sense.
Eduard:[14:59] Yeah. Well, uh, for my part, I think, uh, I'm probably one of the longest in the team.
Marie:[15:08] So that means you want to get off the team?
[15:09] [laughter]
Eduard:[15:10] Ha, no! Actually, no. This is kind of fun. But like you say, the problem is that we don't have many hands, mm, to, to help.
Marie:[15:19] Yeah.
Eduard:[15:20] So every hand that comes to help is welcome.
Marie:[15:22] Right. And actually, I've been starting to welcome more people to the meeting, just inviting them to try to get more of a conversation around it and to, uh, improve the visibility of Mindshare Committee, in general.
Eduard:[15:36] Yeah. For example, in the, in the marketing team -- that is one I'm part, uh, of -- eh, the work has been really, really hard because marketing was like the part that people don't get...
Marie:[15:51] Yeah.
Eduard:[15:51] how to do. Even myself, I didn't get it, how to do it. I just get a seat in this string and say, "Hey, you are in this string since two years ago, so here is the rights of the string, write it."
Marie:[16:06] Yeah.
Eduard:[16:06] You say, "What?"
Marie:[16:07] [laughs]
Eduard:[16:07] But wha-, eh, we tried to do our best. And I think people doesn't complain about me, so I think I'm doing it right.
Marie:[16:18] [laughs] I've never heard any complaints about you, Eduard. [laughs] Um...
Eduard:[16:20] Yeah.
Marie:[16:22] Uh, but I do think, in general, there's a Mindshare visibility issue. Like before I became FCAIC, I didn't really understand what Mindshare did either. So it's kind of interesting, like ha-, no matter how much information we put out, um, like on a docs page, people don't necessarily need to read that, right?
[16:45] Cause it's out there, exactly what we do, right? And so maybe that's where marketing comes in. [laughs]
Eduard:[16:51] Yeah.
Marie:[16:51] Um, getting that information out to people in, um, really easily digestible ways would be maybe an im-, maybe one of the initiatives we can do for Mindshare visibility.
Eduard:[17:05] Yeah.
Marie:[17:05] Like a, "One, two, three. This is what Mindshare does," and we just send it out to all the lists.
Eduard:[17:09] That, that makes a lot of sense. Well, uh, the, normally the people outside of, of Fedora that just are users or they just, uh, are interested in, in the Fedora project because it's, uh, well-known distribution outside being the, um, the base of the RHEL, the Red Hat Enterprise Linux space of Fedora.
[17:34] People don't n-...just see the software, just see the technology, but they don't know the people behind that. They know some, uh, popular faces like maybe Matthew Miller that is our FBL, maybe your face that is now the FCAIC role, previously was Brian Exelbierd. But, there is a lot of people working here, and one thing that people want to have is recognition, you know.
[18:02] And that's, uh, what we need to try to address in, in my show, and hopefully, uh, a lot of folks have some few ideas. But if are people just go to one mailing list, like the default mailing list, or I don't know. Maybe the ambassador mailing list. There you see how much, uh, traffic we have. And that's part of our heavy work, you know.
[18:25] We're part of...We are just people doing something. And, and I think that people sometimes address it as, "Here is where it's bad." Or, "Due to your program, do this." Or, "Don't do that." Or, "Maybe, yeah, if this is true, do better." We're just people. We do our best. We have our ideas. If someone have a similar idea, or support our idea, we will be happy with them.
[18:49] And I think that the, the, the general feeling in the community that we are supporting each other. And Marsha, uh, is called to be the power face outside. And we need to, to be better at that. As you say we're, we don't have any visibility yet.
Marie:[19:07] Right.
Eduard:[19:07] But we need to address that.
Marie:[19:09] Right. I think that, um, recognition and incentives are few extra community health, and happiness, and fulfillment for that matter. I think it's...Honestly it might be inte-, like kind of interesting to think about it like this.
[19:24] But Flock is one of the number of ways we thi-, number one ways we thank our contributors. You know, we bring everyone together. We have that time to socialize. We go out to events and we try to have a fun time together, you know?
[19:38] So, so, yeah, so it's a super bummer that we won't be able to let this year, but I am working on something called Nest with Fedora. Um, we're pretty excited about that, and I am like one step away from securing a contributor gift that will be sent to people's houses.
[19:59] Now, please do not [laughs] , uh, you know, write this in stone. I am working with Red Heart, actually, to try to fu-, to like coordinate fulfilling a large amount of orders of this gift, which would be a couple of pieces of bags and stickers, and things of that nature to replace, you know, kind of what we usually get at work.
[20:25] So, if we can do that, that will be such a cool way to recognize, you know, recognize the work that everyone has done over the years.
Eduard:[20:32] Yeah. I, I will read it about the Nest and when it happens, I try to make some interviews there.
Marie:[20:39] [laughs]
Eduard:[20:40] You know?
Marie:[20:41] Yes, please. That will be great.
Eduard:[20:43] Actually, the, the, the interviews that were posted before this, the last four, the last maybe three or four of the latest episodes, were, um, recorded in 2018 Flock. That's what I was talking that was, that were old. But for example the, the interview with, with [indecipherable] is, uh, still relevant, you know.
[21:05] There was the latest release. Yes, the design team was. Even when they're having two years the process is still similar. It's always different in some other ways. Flock is a really great place when we have some time to be together.
[21:21] I think that the real, uh, challenge with Nest is the people don't have the time from their work to be, to be in a, a physical location, you, you need to have a permission from your, from your employee.
Marie:[21:35] Right.
Eduard:[21:35] Uh, for your employer...
Marie:[21:37] And it will be so hard to...
Eduard:[21:40] to have to be...
Marie:[21:41] ask people to do that, just...
Eduard:[21:40] Yeah.
Marie:[21:41] for something virtual.
Eduard:[21:42] Yeah.
Marie:[21:43] And the other, and the other issue that comes with this, the time zones. Um...
Eduard:[21:47] Ah, sure.
Marie:[21:48] You wanna do live events, uh, you need to either schedule two or, you know, there's got to be, there won't be, you know, some people won't be able to make it for some of them. And it's defin-, it definitely comes with challenges, but we're seeing a lot of virtual platforms, different things to hold, um, virtual events.
[22:07] You know, and we've been doing the Fedora Social Hour. So, that's been cool. So, I, I agree. Like it's just not the same. It will never be [laughs] the same, um, as just being with someone, and sharing a drink, and a meal, and laughing, right?
Eduard:[22:22] Tue.
Marie:[22:23] Um, it's just not gonna be the same. But I think like the social hour has given me, um, I don't know, just happiness to see people coming together and, um, it makes my day a little bit brighter, you know?
[22:38] I personally live alone, so isolation has been super tough for me. You know, a lot of people have these challenges with, um, like how do I deal with my kids. [laughs] I'm like how do I deal with being alone constantly.
[22:52] Um, so, I total-, I have like this totally different perspective. So, the Fedora Social Hour is really nice for me. I get to chat with a whole group of people, friendly people, um, who are all interested in the same stuff as me.
[23:04] So, uh, I think that there's something good about the virtual, and it's nice in this time specifically, right? We're doing it for now, hopefully next year we'll be back, uh, to our normal Flock.
Eduard:[23:17] Yeah. Hopefully. I really love to be in another Flock. That was a really nice experience. Um, regarding to the Fedora Social Hour, I was, I never able to make it in the weeks that are at, uh, in the middle of the day in UTC.
Marie:[23:34] Right. [laughs]
Eduard:[23:34] Uh, and that's specifically the, the, the, the, the challenge of the Nest because I can't make it, because I'm working at that time. [laughs]
Marie:[23:43] Right. But all of the people in APAC, uh, Asia Pacific, uh, that's the only one they can make because the other one is in the middle of the night for them.
Eduard:[23:52] Yeah.
Marie:[23:53] So, I mean...
Eduard:[23:53] Yeah.
Marie:[23:54] it is what it is. [laughs]
Eduard:[23:56] The, the, challenge with Nest can, can be, um, because we can have a 24-hour event like, I mean, three days, 24 hours to be able to please everyone. To, to be able to reach...
Marie:[24:10] [laughs]
Eduard:[24:10] all the time zones.
Marie:[24:12] We can try.
[24:13] [laughter]
Marie:[24:14] I actually, um, I'm actually thinking that to avoid o-, too much overlap and to really let plenty of people be able to participate, and just spread it out over the course of like a week. So, instead of there being like four or five sessions after 5:00 PM on one or two days, you know, you have one or two sessions each day and you're able to actually participate.
[24:41] So, I'm trying not to squeeze it all in. I think that's the benefit of it being virtual. That we can, um, you know, consume the content and participate a-, across events through an entire week, right? And we could actually make some badges for this, um, so that people go to multiple events, right?
[25:02] So, you can if, you know, you get, you go to five different things, you get 1, 10, example, etc. etc. Um, so maybe we could provide some incentives for people to show up to multiple things, right?
Eduard:[25:14] Yeah.
Marie:[25:15] That would be a, that would be a great way.
Eduard:[25:18] Yeah. That makes sense. Also, the, the, the digital stuff allows to, to record the, if you can make it, you can just grab the recording maybe if you're not going to be having fee-, uh, real time feedback, but at least you're going to listen to all the things that was said. And hopefully, one of your questions will be asked by someone else.
Marie:[25:39] Right. Uh, one was, one of the perks that I wanna do is called, is going to be called Ask The Experts. So, actually Brad had, did something very similar, and that's where I got the idea and it worked really, really well.
[25:51] It was an expert on a topic. So, let's just say silver blue. And then you have that person, um, ready to speak, you know, their own video, and then you have another person moderating the chat for questions, right?
[26:05] So, the person, the moderator then feeds those questions to the expert and the expert can just talk about them and not have to worry about reading through the chat or any of that. And you have that back and forth real time engagement with your audience.
Eduard:[26:20] Yeah.
Marie:[26:20] So that's, that's kind of my vision for what I'd like to see from some engagement on talks.
Eduard:[26:25] Well, hopefully we have a nice Nest. We have a, uh, like, time, or date, or for Nest?
Marie:[26:33] [laughs]
Eduard:[26:33] Is it still...?
Marie:[26:34] Yeah. It's gonna be, it's gonna be mid-August. I know things are a little bit up in the air. I'm trying to work on the whole, um, contributor gift thing. So, part of that is going to be mailing times, right?
[26:46] And I would really love -- our shipment times -- I'd really love for folks to get that before Nest so we can all share pictures of ourselves, with the stickers, and the hats.
[26:57] So, whatever it is gonna be, um, it will be a cool social media kinda aspect to it. And it will also make people more excited to be engaged. Like, "Oh, I just got this thing in the mail. I totally want to hang out with my Fedora family."
Eduard:[27:10] Yeah. Well, in middle of August my pictures will be really, really, really down like three or four blankets. Being super cold in the winter...
Marie:[27:20] [laughs]
Eduard:[27:20] here in the, in the south part of the world.
[27:25] Did you say it's cold in August?
Eduard:[27:27] Yes. It's winter.
Marie:[27:29] That's wild. [laughs]
Eduard:[27:32] No, you...I'm, I'm having cold and we are just in the first months of autumn, I think. Winter will be starting in June, I think.
Marie:[27:42] Well, almost -- this might mean nothing -- almost up to 90 degrees Fahrenheit here and it's humid.
[27:50] [laughter]
Marie:[27:50] So, I'm feeling the opposite right now. I'm feeling plenty of heat, and then it's just gonna get hotter.
[27:56] [laughter]
Eduard:[27:58] No, no, no, no, no. I often feel...
Marie:[28:00] [laughs]
Eduard:[28:00] the heat. I'm from a Caribbean country, so...
Marie:[28:02] Yeah. I bet. [laughs]
Eduard:[28:04] Uh...
Marie:[28:06] You probably liked, uh, flocking. Which one was it? Was it Holland that was so hot. One of them was so hot. It wasn't Cape Pride. Cape Pride was chilly. Remember that? [laughs] I think it was Poland. Whoa!
Eduard:[28:21] Um, well, and just add another question, uh, related to Nest. Uh, how can the community can get involved with Nest if they have an idea, or how they can reach the FCAIC to ask them?
Marie:[28:33] So, there is a Flock repository on Azure, and you can open a ticket up there. Um, there is a ticket where we're kind of actively discussing the main strategy. So, we welcome you to read that and to put in your two cents on it.
[28:50] Um, and then, uh, kind of once the format and the platform have been chosen, I plan to make another blog post giving a formalized sort of dates, and these really different types of sessions we're looking for.
[29:06] And then people can submit the actual sessions. And at that point, I'll also be promoting that on various mailing lists to make sure that people know, "OK. We're taking sessions and these are the ones, and here is your deadline."
[29:20] So, that's, um, a work in progress. So, if you wanna be part of the planning of what the entire is gonna look like, you can visit that ticket now. If you have an idea for a session, just hold on to that. Or pop it on there, but it will, it will be addressed at some point soon.
Eduard:[29:37] Hmm, OK. Uh, for, for the regular, for the people outside, we have a communautaire blog that is not our magazine. Our magazine is more for, from our user focus. Um, the com blog is more, uh, community d-, directed.
[29:53] Uh, it's, uh, I think it's communityblog.fedoraproject.org. I will put the links in the description. Um, I'm going to point people directly to the Nest, uh, article in the blog.
[30:07] Well, Marie, it's been super nice to be here with you. Sorry for the inconvenience we do have.
Marie:[30:13] [laughs]
Eduard:[30:13] Um, if you have another, anything you want to say to our community, to the people out there listening to the podcast.
Marie:[30:20] Sure. I just wanna say thanks for all your work. We appreciate it, um, Eduard, and to everyone else as well. Um, I know, you know, we don't get thanks on a regular basis, and I just wanted you to know that you are appreciated. And what you do for Fedora is appreciated. So, and also thanks for having me on the podcast.
Eduard:[30:44] Yeah. Thank you. Well, uh, that's it for this episode, and thank you for listening. And we'll see you in some weeks. Thank you, guys.